Marisa Peer on Overcoming Limiting Beliefs

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Katie: Good day, and welcome to “The Wellness Mama Podcast.” I’m Katie from and That’s wellness with an E on the top, my new line of hair care, toothpaste, and different private care merchandise. Verify these out at This episode is all about reversing limiting beliefs, concepts like, I’m not adequate, I’m not sufficient. I’m not lovable. I’m right here with Marissa Peer, who’s the creator of the award-winning Speedy Transformational Remedy, which is a extremely fascinating and I discover a novel kind of remedy that works actually, actually shortly in lots of instances. She’s additionally the founding father of She has a number of best-selling books and he or she is a speaker and skilled that speaks all world wide. And the explanation I needed to have her on at this time is to actually go deep on a few of these therapies she does with individuals, each from the attitude of how we as adults can form of rewire and undo a few of these limiting beliefs that stem from childhood but in addition to raised perceive the core wants of kids, what number of of those issues stem from issues in childhood when youngsters don’t really feel secure or beloved or necessary for numerous causes, and the way we as mother and father may also help to hopefully guard our kids towards a few of these pitfalls. Actually, none of us are gonna do it completely however she provides some actually sensible recommendation each in how we as adults can let go of a few of these limiting beliefs usually rather more shortly than we predict and likewise how we are able to set our youngsters up with a robust basis going into maturity. So, a really fascinating episode. I realized rather a lot. I took notes. You truly would possibly hear me take a second to reply a few occasions on this episode. And it’s as a result of I used to be writing down notes. And all of my notes and the entire issues she talked about are within the present notes at So we’ll positively begin there should you wanna continue learning from her. However with out additional ado, I can not wait to share her with you. So let’s leap in. Marisa, welcome. Thanks for being right here.

Marisa: Thanks for inviting me. I’m flattered and honored to be right here.

Katie: I’m so excited to share you with everybody listening at this time as a result of I feel you’ve got a lot worth that you just carry, and particularly for all the ladies listening, simply so, so many phrases of knowledge. However to start out off, I’d love to listen to, for anybody who isn’t accustomed to you already, just a bit little bit of your story and the way you got here to be who you at the moment are and to do all this work that you just’re doing.

Marisa: Properly, my story is I at all times needed to be a toddler psychologist however I discovered that very painful, not as a lot painful, a job the place you couldn’t actually get the outcomes you needed. And I’ve at all times been fascinated my complete life by human habits. And so I left coaching in youngster psychology and went to work in L.A. for Jane Fonda educating aerobics. And that acquired me actually fascinated about psychology of consuming issues, which led on to me fascinated by infertility. And so every little thing I’ve finished has led on from one thing else. However I didn’t plan this profession, however I actually discovered it and I’m very glad I did.

Katie: And I’ve learn fairly a little bit of your work and you’ve got a number of books out. I’ll make certain we hyperlink to all of these. However I really like the work that you just do, particularly surrounding limiting beliefs. And that’s been one thing that basically has been useful and resonated with me. So, for anybody who’s not acquainted, are you able to clarify to us in a excessive stage what limiting beliefs are?

Marisa: Sure, I imply, you realize, all of us believed that our emotions are dominated by our behaviors, but it surely’s truly the opposite method round, our behaviors are dominated by our emotions. So, should you’re wanting on the regulation of management, our ideas management our emotions, our emotions management our actions and our actions management our occasions. So should you peel that again, occasions, actions, emotions, all of it begins with considering. And it’s very straightforward to vary your considering. For example, think about you’re a binge eater, and also you attempt to management that by going to the health club or placing your self in a extremely restrictive food plan or taking urge for food suppressants, what you’re doing is coping with the habits but it surely’s the thought that runs it’s I’m not sufficient and I want extra. Certainly with any habit, should you’re hooked on alcohol and also you deal with the alcoholism however not the underlying feeling, which is I’m simply not adequate.

And so, when you’ll be able to change your considering, it actually can and does change your complete life. And that’s superb information for a lot of causes. One, after all, is that altering your considering is free. It’s fairly straightforward. It doesn’t require laborious work. It’s not like altering your physique and having to do 600 sit-ups and the plank day by day. And when you begin to do it, it stops being what you do and really turns into who you might be. So it turns into a extremely highly effective instrument to start out dwelling the life you need with out it being effort, and laborious work, and disappointments. It doesn’t imply you don’t need to work for what you need but it surely means it’s simpler if you go at that figuring out and believing that you just’re worthy of it and deserving of it.

Katie: Yeah, I consider an instance from my very own life was that for lots of years, I had this script in my head that I used to be attempting to shed pounds, and if solely I misplaced weight then I might be comfortable or then I might love myself. And what I ended up realizing in my very own journey was that I might select to vary that perception, and to like myself, and to decide on happiness in that second. After which it truly turned a lot simpler to do the entire issues that led to weight reduction as a result of I wasn’t preventing myself anymore. However I feel usually for anybody struggling, you talked about some huge issues, you realize, consuming issues or alcoholism, issues which might be very severe points, there usually is that notion that it’s going to be very laborious or that it needs to be very, very troublesome or an uphill battle or a tough course of. And I really like that about your work since you actually have this message that these shifts, such as you stated, there’s nonetheless work concerned, however they don’t need to be this actually, actually troublesome factor that we frequently make them out to be. However I’m curious what are a few of these widespread limiting beliefs that individuals run into? I do know that you’ve got lots of work across the concept of I’m not sufficient and that appears to be an extremely widespread one.

Marisa: Yeah, it’s the commonest one. I might say that at the very least a 3rd, if not 50% of all my purchasers are available with that perception, “I’m not sufficient. I’m not adequate. I’m not lovable sufficient. I’m not sensible sufficient. I’m not fascinating sufficient. I’m undeserving sufficient.” And that lies behind issues like hoarding, compulsive buying, addictions, harmful consuming, even having wealth blocks and love blocks, you realize, self-sabotaging your self all originate within the feeling of not being sufficient. The great factor is, it’s very, very straightforward to vary it as a result of it’s not true. No child is born considering they’re not sufficient. We are able to choose that perception up very, very quick however we are able to additionally do away with it very quick.

Katie: So, stroll us by way of that somewhat bit. Like, what are a few of the ways in which individuals can start to…? I do know that you’ve got packages particularly for all of this and I’ll make certain we hyperlink to these. However I really feel like once I first heard about this, I used to be somewhat bit in disbelief of, like, can it truly be that straightforward? Like, it looks like it needs to be laborious.

Marisa: Yeah, that’s so fascinating as a result of that’s such a false impression I come up towards on a regular basis. Like, docs will say, “Properly, this particular person’s acquired anorexia. That’s a really complicated sickness, subsequently the therapy is complicated. This consumer has bipolar despair, that’s so complicated that the therapy should be complicated.” I’ve met individuals who say, you realize, bulimics want 40 classes to get higher. However I’ve by no means believed that. However I imagine that the many people are presenting drawback, I’ve despair, I’ve anxiousness, I’ve panic assaults, I’ve an consuming dysfunction, they’re complicated. However the therapy doesn’t must be complicated if and when yow will discover what causes the issue and deal with that.

If you’re treating the issue itself, I’m attempting to deal with an consuming dysfunction, or a compulsion, or an habit, however all I’m treating is the habits, then that may take a very long time. But when I deal with the origin of the habits, if I am going again to the not-enoughness and deal with that, it’s a special sport. I imply, not too long ago, you realize, I can’t imagine I’ve been denying myself love for years and years and years due to a thought. My ideas have allowed me to disclaim myself love. And I did all this stuff. I misplaced weight. I acquired somewhat little bit of tweaking right here and there. I had a makeover. I joined a relationship company, I joined a relationship app, and none of it labored. However once I determined I used to be lovable, I discovered somebody on the street simply strolling to the bus cease.

As a result of that’s the factor, you must deal with the supply of the ache. A bit such as you going to the physician and saying, “I’ve complications.” And he would possibly say, “Properly, you realize, your complications are induced as a result of your posture in your again is unsuitable.” So now we all know that the supply of the ache just isn’t the supply of the issue. And should you stated, “Yeah, I do know that however I solely wanna take headache capsules. You’ll be able to preserve telling me my backbone is unsuitable and my hip’s unsuitable however I insist on taking headache capsules for spinal issues,” we predict, “Properly, that’s loopy.”

Nevertheless it’s very a lot the identical factor. The supply of your points is often not-enoughness, I really feel insufficient, I don’t really feel adequate, and you have to deal with that. And if you deal with that, you repair all the opposite issues concurrently. And that’s why it’s straightforward since you’re treating the supply and the foundation of an issue reasonably than the issue itself. And in treating the supply and the foundation, you deal with all of the offshoots too.

Katie: And it looks like a lot of this…You talked about…I really like that line that…I’ve learn that in your writing earlier than too that new child infants aren’t born with the concept they’re not sufficient. So that is clearly a realized factor. Do you discover that every one or nearly all of this stuff return to a degree in childhood for most individuals?

Marisa: Virtually all people goes again to childhood. I imply, lots of scientific and medical research say that our character is ready by the point we’re 5, some individuals say 7. I imply the Catholics say, “Give me a boy till he’s 5 and I’ll provide the man.” And I feel Roman stated till 7, some will say till 3. However we all know…you realize, eminent youngster psychologists know that our childhood shapes our maturity. And so, for example, should you have been to go to Romania and undertake somewhat 3-year-old youngster and convey them again to Florida, and love them, and love them, and love them, that doesn’t imply they’ll get higher as a result of a lot injury is finished in our youth.

And the largest drawback in our youth is that once we’re little, we don’t have that many wants. I have to really feel secure, that’s necessary. I have to really feel beloved. I have to really feel I matter so that you’ll handle me. In order somewhat child, we solely have a number of wants. Protected, beloved, necessary, important. And when these wants usually are not met, what occurs is we don’t blame the mother and father. We blame ourselves. The kid by no means stops loving mother and father, they cease loving themselves. Properly, “My wants not getting met, I assume I’m undeserving of it.” And so they’ll by no means get met. And now that youngster turns into an grownup who nonetheless has this perception, “Nobody’s gonna meet my wants. I’m not lovable, I’m not adequate, I’m undeserving sufficient.”

And that’s the horrible unhappiness as a result of each child is worthy of affection. No child says, “I received’t cry as a result of nobody’s coming. I received’t demand to be fed as a result of I’m grasping. I received’t anticipate my mother and father to play with me as a result of they’re exhausted.” A child has a perception, “I’m worthy of all of this.” And it’s unhappy that we predict we’ve misplaced it, however we haven’t misplaced it, we’ve simply forgotten we ever had it. And so you may get all of that again and really simply too.

Katie: Yeah, I’ve learn a quote just like that not too long ago that utterly stopped me in my tracks. And it stated, you realize, “If you criticize your youngsters, they don’t cease loving you, they cease loving themselves.” And that basically made me assume rather a lot. And, form of, to your level of all of this stuff, going again to childhood, and once I’ve learn your work, I’ve been capable of see a few of these patterns in my very own life. And I really feel like from right here, there’s form of a two-part query. Most of the adults listening in all probability are recognizing a few of these limiting beliefs or that, form of, core feeling of not feeling lovable or not feeling sufficient.

But in addition, the vast majority of the individuals listening are mother and father. And so I at all times assume once I hear issues like this, like, what can I do as a mother to assist my youngsters have the most effective basis and the most effective mindset going into maturity? Actually, I feel all mothers, we do our greatest, and nonetheless, our youngsters are gonna in all probability have issues they need to work by way of. None of us are gonna do it completely. However what can we do to provide them the most effective basis?

Marisa: Properly, you realize, all youngsters ever want…I want I’d identified this once I was a guardian, I didn’t, I discovered it out later. However what youngsters want is so that you can be current with them. That’s all they need, you to be current with them. They don’t actually need stuff. I imply, I’m not speaking about 15-year-old youngsters who need the most recent Gameboy and the most recent Nikes. However little youngsters need you to be current. And should you ask youngsters what their comfortable zone is…For me, my mother and father had a home within the South of France, we went each summer season. However my happiest reminiscence, with out query, was selecting berries with my grandmother, making home made jam, or going to, like, what we used to name a “jumble,” I don’t know what we name them in America, and shopping for a stack of magazines, and going to, I assume it’s equal of like a automobile boot sale.

So, youngsters’s reminiscences are at all times like taking part in puzzles, cooking collectively. It’s probably not about doing stuff that prices some huge cash. So being current with them is significant in elevating their shallowness. As a guardian, your youngster’s shallowness is a mark of how profitable you might be or not. And that may be very troublesome when youngsters go to high school, and they’re judged on what grade they’re in, and what they appear like. And it’s very, very troublesome as a guardian to get it proper however a very powerful factor is to make your youngsters imagine in themselves, to lift them with wholesome, excessive shallowness.

Katie: After which for the mother and father, I imply like I stated, I’ve acknowledged a few of these issues in myself, and these have been issues I’ve labored by way of in my very own life. And definitely, I feel lots of the issues that you just work with individuals on are so well timed and related proper now. And these limiting beliefs can affect our grownup life in so many various methods. You have got one thing referred to as Speedy Transformational Remedy. Are you able to speak about that somewhat bit at a excessive stage?

After which I’d like to go somewhat bit particular on that as properly. As a result of to circle again once more, and simply actually highlighting that concept, I feel for years, I made the method tougher on myself than I wanted to as a result of I anticipated it to be laborious. I assumed it needed to be laborious for it to work. And as soon as I lastly realized that wasn’t the case, it was wonderful how quickly issues shifted. However stroll us by way of how you’re employed with individuals in remedy so individuals can, form of, perceive simply how drastically and shortly issues can shift.

Marisa: Yeah. Properly, lots of people imagine that…I imply, I’ve been informed by many different individuals, the phrases speedy and remedy mustn’t go collectively, that remedy isn’t speedy, certainly, it’s lengthy and painful with out even any assure of a decision on the finish. However there’s no different therapy mannequin that claims, “Carry me your ache and we’ll focus on it.” No dentist says “Sure, you’ve acquired a really unhealthy cavity. Come alongside and we’ll have a dialog with you each week, and if you belief me sufficient, we’ll begin to do some work.” No heart specialist, no dermatologist says, “We have to focus on your coronary heart drawback or your pores and skin drawback each week and possibly after a while, you would possibly really feel higher.”

Remedy is the one mannequin that claims, “Flip up along with your ache, and we’ll focus on it, and we’ll construct a relationship round our dialogue, after which once we construct a relationship collectively, we would simply have the ability to crack by way of your ache and show you how to or show you how to reside with it.” And that’s not a therapist’s fault but it surely’s such a wierd mannequin to supply individuals as a result of should you carry your ache to anybody else, a chiropractor, a physician, a dentist, they have an inclination to repair the ache as quick as they probably…And nobody says in ER, “I have to develop a relationship with a surgeon earlier than they function on me.” That usually we by no means even meet them as a result of we’re anesthetized by then.

And so, I needed to create…I imply, I had the identical mannequin, which is carry me your ache and let me repair it for you as quick as I probably can. And should you can take part within the fixing, even higher. So individuals come to me with each form of ache you’ll be able to think about, from bodily ache, from migraines, or irritable bowel, or polycystic ovary syndrome, or fibromyalgia. So we now have actual bodily pains. And almost 70% of illnesses now are identified as psychosomatic, which implies the headache is completely actual, the nerve ache is actual, however what’s inflicting them just isn’t damaged components of your physique, however damaged components of your considering. And that’s very straightforward to repair.

After which we now have emotional issues, which don’t have the identical bodily pains, however they produce other points. I really feel depressed, I really feel unhappy, I’ve panic assaults. I’ve self-sabotaging habits. I’m self-destructive. I don’t have love. And really a lot the identical factor, whether or not you’re in emotional ache or bodily ache, you shouldn’t have to attend any time in any respect to get higher. It ought to begin to occur instantly. So RTT instantly begins to take a look at why. So, once we prepare individuals, we are saying, “Look, your first job is to be a detective. Put in your detective hat and discover out when did this occur? What was occurring? Why did this consumer instantly grow to be morbidly overweight? Why did this consumer go from straight-A pupil to failing? Why did this consumer instantly get panic assaults?”

So we’re gathering data like a detective, discovering out why. And many consumers say, “Properly, you realize, once I came upon why, it’s as a result of my dad left once I was a child. As a result of my mom cried all through the being pregnant. I had no concept that I blamed myself for that.” And the minute they discover out why, they really feel so a lot better. After which the second a part of the session is shifting from being a detective to nearly like a dentist and eradicating poisonous matter, poisonous beliefs, poisonous ideas, poisonous selections individuals have made, eliminating them and changing them with one thing higher. After which the third and closing half is being a coder. And simply as a coder wires into a pc higher software program to make it perform higher, we wire into our purchasers a lot better software program to make them imagine in themselves to reactivate the arrogance they have been born with however they forgot they ever had.

And likewise, it’s recorded, the one which’s terribly necessary is a consumer is given a recording that’s private, it’s not a generic leisure. It’s made within the session. It’s a recording made for them. The coding bit is recorded. The consumer takes that dwelling. They play it for 20 days as a result of RTT relies on the principles of the thoughts. And the principles of the thoughts say the thoughts learns by repetition. The foundations of the thoughts say each thought you assume is the blueprint that your thoughts and physique work to make actual, that the strongest pressure in you is that you just act in a method that matches the way in which you outline your self. And that emotion is far more highly effective than logic. So I’ve put all these guidelines of the thoughts collectively to type a remedy based mostly round our personal thoughts guidelines that make our thoughts settle for new beliefs whereas letting go of outdated ones fairly quickly, very quickly, truly.

Katie: So to comply with up on these three factors, which I really like that it’s that clear minimize, so, you stated the primary half is attempting to determine why or the place that comes from. And for instance, I do know for me, I went again to a number of occasions in childhood the place I had made a mistake or dropped one thing and form of gotten yelled at by my mother and had internalized that I wasn’t adequate or that I used to be at all times making errors or no matter it was. And even simply with the ability to acknowledge that that’s the place it got here from and reframe it now understanding additionally a mother’s perspective and notice that probably had nothing to do with me, it was possibly she was having a foul day or she was wired, and I might completely perceive that now once I was in a position to take a look at it otherwise. However do you discover even simply individuals with the ability to pinpoint and know that why is an enormous step?

Marisa: It’s an enormous step as a result of if you’re little, you realize, right here’s the reality for any youngster, if you’re somewhat child, you realize one factor, in case your mother and father such as you, you’ll survive. It doesn’t matter should you’re a child kitten, a child pet, or a child human, we perceive innately that if my mother and father love me, I’m gonna make it. And so when our mother and father get offended with us and shout at us and scream at us as a result of they’re having their very own points, we at all times assume it’s our fault as a result of we should idealize the those who we imagine our survival will depend on.

So when mother screams at you, dad flounces off, dad leaves mother, no matter is occurring, a toddler can’t work out, “Oh, you see, my dad’s an alcoholic. My mother’s acquired despair. My mother and father ought to by no means have by no means gotten married.” All a toddler can assume is, “Oh, they don’t love me as a result of I’m not sufficient.” As a result of it’s safer responsible your self than responsible the person who your survival will depend on. In order that makes good sense. The issue is that we by no means get to a stage the place we predict, “Oh, proper, let me return now and reset that as a result of I at all times thought it was my fault my mother was sad. Now I perceive my mother made very unhealthy decisions. She was a little bit of a sufferer and it wasn’t my fault.”

We don’t have a reset button to press so we undergo life believing what it should be. If my mother was sad and he or she didn’t love me, who’s gonna love me? You already know, I noticed that with Princess Diana rather a lot as a result of her personal mom left when she was little and didn’t come again. She at all times believed, “Properly, if she didn’t love me, who might love me?” That was very a lot the identical factor with Marilyn Monroe. You see should you have a look at Whitney Houston, or Amy Winehouse, or Heath Ledger, and even Michael Jackson, or George Michael, each time the kid has to carry out to get the guardian’s reward, or has to attain, has to work for love, they are going to imagine, “Oh, no, I don’t get love. I’ve to work actually laborious to earn it, and at any time will probably be taken away,” they usually usually go into self-sabotage due to this perception, “I’m not lovable the way in which I’m. I’m lovable if I look good, act good, produce one thing good.”

Katie: Wow. That makes a lot sense. So, how can we, as mother and father, assist youngsters to not internalize that or to not really feel like they’re undeserving of affection? As a result of actually there are occasions there’s going to be individuals who have separations or divorce or who undergo powerful occasions and their youngsters are gonna need to undergo these issues too. Are there methods to assist youngsters?

Marisa: Yeah. Good query. That is so good for fogeys. So the most effective factor is to personal it. You already know, all mother and father, actually me, I imply, I tousled many, many occasions. You already know, I used to be a single guardian with my very own points, after all, I shouted at my youngster and stated issues I ought to by no means have stated that I’ll at all times remorse. Nevertheless it’s very laborious to be an ideal guardian. All you are able to do along with your youngsters is exit and say, “You already know what, darling? Mommy was not very good at this time. Mommy loves you. Mommy’s…That was not your fault. Immediately mommy was cranky. Immediately mommy had lots of worries and I shouldn’t have made you the butt of that.” And so they do perceive that. I used to say to my little woman, “You already know, darling, at this time mommy had her interval and he or she was a bit ratty.” And someday she stated, “Mommy, I feel my instructor had her interval at this time as a result of she was not very variety.”

So she had all of it labored out in her head as a result of I might at all times apologize, “That was my fault. I shouldn’t have finished that. I shouldn’t have reacted like that.” I’ll have…She stated to me, she goes “Mommy, it doesn’t really feel such as you love me if you communicate to me in that nasty voice.” As a result of I used to be saying, “Come on, hurry. I really like you however you’ve gotta hurry up.” And so they’re not foolish youngsters however they don’t anticipate you to be good, they only anticipate you to not put it on them to say, “That was my fault. You already know, I’ve no proper to shout at you as we’re operating by way of the airport or operating for the bus, or every little thing went unsuitable, I dropped the dinner, or I burned it, I smashed one thing, I shouldn’t flip round and scream at you as a result of that wasn’t your fault. And even when it was, you realize, you might be only a child should you broke one thing.” I imply, they do this. They get nail varnish in your carpet and do all types of stuff you choose them to not do.

However so long as you’ll be able to personal it and say, “I didn’t deal with it very properly at this time. I’m actually sorry,” they like that as a result of it permits them to know that different individuals received’t deal with it. The instructor might have a foul day, the buddy…And, after all, youngsters take it out on one another too. They’re not averse to some child picks up their toy truck, smacking them across the head with it. So that they do perceive that it isn’t all good Pollyanna. However apologizing to your youngster, proudly owning and saying, “You didn’t deserve that. I used to be out of line. I shouldn’t have finished that,” that makes them cease blaming themselves, which is the large factor you wish to wire into youngsters. That was my fault.

You see, even youngsters who get abused, that’s the heartbreaking factor, most pedophiles say to a toddler, “You needed that. You already know, if you have been operating round in your bikini or sashaying round in your nightie,” otherwise you’re so fairly, otherwise you’re so cute, you needed that.” And so they don’t perceive how you can say, “No, I didn’t,” as a result of it’s very straightforward to make a toddler imagine it’s their fault. And so you must give your youngsters to go, “No, it’s not my fault. I didn’t trigger that. I’m to not blame.” And likewise, when you’ll be able to go to your youngster and say, “You already know, at this time, daddy was actually out of line and I behaved like a toddler. I misplaced my mood. I used to be a toddler. You have been smarter than me at this time.” What that does is it permits them to go and say, “Mommy, I misplaced it, I acted out. I did one thing actually unsuitable at this time,” since you’ve allowed them to see that they don’t need to be good and also you’re not, then they’ll come to you and say…

My daughter got here dwelling someday when she’s about 13 and stated, “Mommy, I spoke terribly to my buddy’s brother. He stole all these baseball hats in a store and he gave me one and I didn’t need it. I didn’t know what to do.” And I say, “Properly, that’s good that you just informed me.” And I’d at all times say, “You’ll by no means get punished for telling the reality ever, even should you do one thing actually unsuitable.” And I stated, “You already know that feeling in your tummy, that’s a sense that it’s not good and also you simply need to say to him, “No, thanks.”

Or, you realize, if he’s 15, you’re 11, and you are feeling embarrassed, then, you realize, if you get dwelling, you probably did the best factor, you stated to mother, “I don’t need this baseball hat. I felt actually unhealthy accepting it.” So the extra you’ll be able to enable them to see that they don’t need to be good comes from you proudly owning your errors and never attempting to be good. And the worst factor is when mother and father say, “Don’t you reply again. Don’t you’ve got an opinion. Don’t shout. Don’t cry. I’ll provide you with one thing to cry about.” That’s very complicated for a kid. You get offended after they’re offended. And so they get punished for being offended, however you’re allowed to be offended. In order that’s actually complicated for them. And allow them to have an opinion as a result of after they get to 14 or 15, you realize, you need your youngsters to have the ability to have an opinion towards a bully or someone who’s gonna pressurize them to have intercourse or drink or smoke. However should you by no means allow them to have an opinion with you, then how are they ever going to do this? You’re the primary particular person they’re going to study to debate and argue with.

Katie: That’s such an awesome level. It’s one I’ve positively not finished completely, however I’ve tried to do. My oldest is now 14. And even from the time he was little, I might encourage them to ask questions. And I keep in mind when he was actually little, possibly like 3, I stated, “You already know, at all times ask questions should you’re curious. And should you don’t perceive one thing or one thing doesn’t make sense, at all times query it.” And he stated, “Even you?” And I stated, “Even and particularly me as a result of I’m right here that can assist you study.” However I feel you’re proper, so usually that will get suppressed with youngsters. And it’s been wonderful to look at him now, largely, despite the fact that he’s 14, like an grownup at this level, and the way accountable he’s and to see our relationship shift. And like I stated, I don’t assume I’ve finished it completely by any means however that’s one thing I’m glad I did from a really younger age with them.

And one other factor I’ve tried to at all times say to them day by day, I’ve six youngsters, so I say it rather a lot however that, “I really like you unconditionally. There’s nothing you’ll be able to ever do to scale back that and there’s nothing you’ll be able to ever do or have to do to extend that both.” As a result of I really feel like I didn’t get that second half very a lot as a child. I knew that my mother and father beloved me however I at all times felt like I needed to earn approval or that it was tied to my achievements. And I needed to, hopefully, assist my youngsters know that they by no means needed to earn that, that it could at all times be there.

Marisa: And it’s such an exquisite factor as a result of, you realize, so many adults have this perception, I have to earn love. I have to work for love. I have to chase love. I must be actually good. I have to have issues snipped off or injected in and I have to, you realize, add stuff to myself. And that simply isn’t true. Love is simply there and also you don’t need to earn it, work for it, or run after it. And so saying to a toddler, “You already know, I really like you and also you don’t ever need to earn my love and there’s nothing you might do to make me love you extra and there’s nothing you are able to do to make me love you much less. Should you mess up, you realize, I received’t be happy however I’ll be there.”

As a result of, you realize, some mother and father say to their youngsters, “Should you get pregnant, don’t ever come dwelling. Should you take medicine, you’re out of this home.” And so they say it to scare them however think about in case your youngster of 14 takes medicine and feels they’ll by no means come dwelling, then the place do you assume they’re going to go? It’s a lot better so that you can say, “I don’t need you to take medicine, I don’t need you to get pregnant, however no matter is occurring, you’ll by no means get punished for telling the reality.” And I keep in mind my little woman when she was little stated, “Mommy, I’ve acquired inexperienced nail varnish all around the carpet and I do know you received’t punish me as a result of I simply informed you the reality.” And I stated, “Properly, I’m very upset you probably did that, however I received’t.” And he or she stated, “Mommy, it’s such a aid. I’ve been so scared to inform you.” However I knew in that second it was a take a look at. Ought to I get actually offended or shall I do…?

I gave her my phrase, you’ll by no means be punished for telling the reality. And, you realize, all youngsters do loopy issues. And you may’t at all times cease them, however you will be there to mop them up. And, you realize, I had my daughter’s mates turning up at my home, having been thrown out of their very own home as a result of their mom discovered contraception of their bag or in a single case the morning after tablet. And you must be a secure place on your youngsters after they’re going by way of tough occasions as a result of the very last thing you need is them to go to another person’s home as a result of they’ll’t speak to you.

Katie: Yeah, that’s such a superb level. We’ve form of grow to be that place for lots of my youngsters’ mates as properly and I’m so grateful to be that place. I’d at all times stated after they have been younger, I hope to be the place the place all the youngsters really feel snug coming to hang around and that in addition they really feel like they’ll speak to me. Nevertheless it does make me unhappy as properly when youngsters will speak to me, however not their very own mother and father. And I at all times attempt to encourage them to open the strains of communication with their mother and father.

Marisa: In fact. And so lots of them are simply so afraid of being judged. I imply, you realize, I work with infertility rather a lot and I at all times take individuals again to why they’ll’t conceive. And also you’d be amazed at what number of girls return to this basic scene, “I’m 15 or 14 and I feel I’m pregnant. My dad will completely kill me. My mother and father will likely be livid. They’ll disown me. They’ll kick me out of the home or they’ll be so upset I’ve allow them to down.” And that doubt they’ve with themselves, “That is the worst factor ever, it is a nightmare, it is a catastrophe, that is disgrace,” that feeling of horror they really feel considering they’re pregnant turns into the primary block. The thoughts says, “Oh, you don’t wanna have a child.” And 15 years later, after they’re fortunately married to some nice man, the thoughts remains to be appearing off this outdated perception it could be a nightmare, a catastrophe, the worst factor ever to have a child.

As a result of the thoughts is at all times listening. Each phrase you say is picked up by the thoughts. And unexplained infertility is an enchanting factor as a result of it’s unexplainable. Explainable infertility means, properly, your fallopian tubes are blocked. You haven’t acquired any eggs, your womb lining is just too skinny, your husband’s sperm swims backwards and there’s not a lot of it. However unexplained means every little thing is ideal however you’ve got some blocking perception. And it at all times usually begins on the first ideas you’ve got about having a child. Having a child once we’re youngsters or we’re not married and even past that, “Oh, this boy is gonna reject me now. He’ll assume I’ve trapped him. It’s a way of disgrace. I don’t need this at the moment in my life.” As a result of the thoughts is at all times listening and the phrases we type, a blueprint that we react to fifteen years after the occasion has come and gone.

Katie: Wow. That’s actually drastic. And okay, so that you stated the second step is that you just take away these ache factors otherwise you take away these blocks. Are you able to stroll us by way of only a excessive stage of how that occurs or the way you do this?

Marisa: Yeah. So, I’ll provide you with an excellent instance, I used to be enthusiastic about a selected consumer. So I had a selected consumer, who’s an Arabic woman, very good, got here from a really spiritual household, the place the daddy’s phrase was every little thing. And he or she was relationship a white boy and thought she was pregnant. And naturally, her mother and father would have simply been horrified. It will have been terrible. And so when she thought she was pregnant, she went into absolute terror, and stress, and anxiousness, and in the long run, organized privately to have a termination they by no means knew about and carried all of the guilt about that. And now, 15 years later, she’s 30-something, she’s acquired a stunning husband from the identical Arabic like her, mother and father adore him, adore her, lengthy must be grandparents, however she will’t get pregnant due to this reminiscence.

So, the very first thing we do is return, individuals don’t at all times know concerning the second, we return to why? Let’s discover out why you’ll be able to’t conceive, up comes this reminiscence. And when she describes it, she’s crying, her lip’s trembling. She’s actually feeling the fear, the disgrace, the anxiousness, the stress, the concern, the uncertainty, after which extra disgrace after she has this termination, the concern that after they discover out, they’ll disown her as a result of she’s not this good little woman that they assume she is. And now, we go to fifteen years later the place she’s acquired a stunning husband and her mother and father will likely be operating up and down the ward elated after they know she’s having a child. Will probably be their much-wanted grandson or grandchild.

So, to separate it, I make my consumer say, “That’s not me. That woman of 15 who’s crying and going as much as London to have a secret termination and has acquired secret papers, that’s not me. If I say to my mother and father, ‘Oh, I’m pregnant,’ they are going to be crying with happiness, it’s all they need.” So it’s the power simply separate then from now. Sure, when that was me, I used to be 15 and I did some foolish issues however I had solely been on the planet for 15 years. I didn’t know then what I do know now. I used to be appearing with a life expertise of a 15-year-old, very completely different to a 32-year-old. It’s not me. So, you must have a look at the scene then and the scene now and see the distinction as a result of most individuals have a look at the scene they usually see the comparability. You see, I wasn’t beloved once I was 2 and right here I’m, I’m 32 and I nonetheless can’t discover love. Each man I meet dumps me. The whole lot goes unsuitable.

So, lots of people have a look at the way it’s the identical. I used to be silly in school, I nonetheless really feel silly. I felt ugly in school, I nonetheless really feel ugly. I wasn’t the neatest child and now I’m scared to ask for one thing as a result of I don’t really feel sensible. And it’s essential to not have a look at what’s the similar however to take a look at what’s the distinction as a result of that’s one other rule of your thoughts, no matter you search for, yow will discover. So, they need to undergo this primary factor, that’s not me as a result of, and that may’t be me as a result of, and that may by no means be me ever once more as a result of…And as soon as they’ve been capable of actually determine what’s completely different reasonably than what’s the similar, they’re able to go on to the ultimate step, which is convincing the thoughts that in her case, she’s able to have a child, that she’s gonna be an incredible mom, that every little thing is ideal. And he or she couldn’t have been an incredible mom at 15 however she will be an incredible mom at this time. So, it’s what’s completely different, making sense of it, after which turning into freed from it. And all of these issues are, form of, equally necessary.

Katie: How does an individual begin to go about that? Like, you name it coding, giving a brand new software program. I additionally consider this in relation to the sooner query of programming our youngsters, hopefully, in a great way, and also you’ve given some nice ideas for that. However as soon as an individual acknowledges the issue they usually know what the ache level is to take away, what does that appear like to rewire or recode the mind and the way lengthy does that course of take?

Marisa: I imply, it may be nearly rapid. The one motive I name it coding is individuals…you realize, we reside in a…We use the phrase, like, hacks, and you might name it one thing else, like having a conditioning recording. I’ve acquired a hypnotic conditioning audio to play. However you see, in case your laptop has a bug, you realize that the pc has slowed down. After which if you take it to someplace, they take out the bug, they put in your software program, they improve it actually, after which it really works completely. And reasonably like a pc, we get bugs in our considering that sluggish us down, dim our potential, dim our gentle. And identical to the most effective software program particular person, we simply need to take these bugs out and improve our personal considering.

And so, upgrading your considering actually works like this. It’s essential to have a look at the ideas you assume. For instance, “I don’t really feel adequate. I don’t really feel necessary sufficient. I feel I don’t matter.” The place does that come from? Indubitably, somewhat youngster. Properly, why did you assume these ideas? Properly, as a result of my mother stated she needed a boy and I used to be the third woman or she didn’t actually wish to have a child or, you realize, my dad left her and it ruined her life. And so, I assumed these beliefs that I didn’t matter however I used to be 4 years outdated, I got here to conclusions once I’d been on the planet for 4 years. And that’s okay as a result of any child at 4 would have thought what I assumed however now I’m 44, it’s going to by no means once more be related or essential, acceptable. It wouldn’t even be fascinating to assume what I assumed once I was 4. In order that’s the way you begin to change the software program. You say, “I assumed that once I was 4…”

It’s a bit like if I went to the shop with my mom once I was 4 and I acquired misplaced within the store, I in all probability would have moist my pants and cried. However at 32, I’d sit down and look forward to her to web page me or I’d name her on the cellular. You already know, I’ve by no means misplaced my daughter in an airport however I keep in mind being in an airport, humorous sufficient it was in Florida, and I see this little boy within the airplane, and he walked previous me on his personal, and I grabbed his hand and stated, “Stick with me.” And about 5 minutes, this mother got here operating across the nook hysterical, and he or she acknowledged, she stated “Thanks a lot for holding onto him.” And for her it was terror. However think about 20 years go and he or she’s on the airport with that little boy of two and he or she loses him, she’s not gonna cry or run across the airport hysterical. So she’s gonna web page him or name him or say, “Properly, I’ll simply go to the gate as a result of he is aware of which airplane we’re getting so I’m certain he’ll make his personal approach to the gate,” which they do.

So, the idea that should you misplaced your mom at 17 and also you cry hysterically, identical to you’ll at 2, is one thing no person would do. And also you simply inform these tales to acknowledge that the way you behave at 2 is named age-appropriate. It’s the top of the world when your mother shouts at you or screams at you. And I keep in mind popping out of the shop not way back and I noticed one thing, I actually hate to see this however I’ve seen it somewhat bit, which is a mom pretending to go away her child within the automobile park and drive off with out him. To begin with, it was so harmful as a result of she simply drove away and he was screaming. She knew she was coming again however she was taking part in a sport and he had no concept what the principles of the sport have been, which is I stand on the pavement and cry, you come again, I get within the automobile, and I promise by no means to do this once more.

However I don’t perceive this sport as a result of I’m solely 2, and it’s not a sport to me, “My mother is leaving me endlessly as a result of she doesn’t like me as a result of I’m not good.” And so, these are the principles that we anticipate youngsters to play they usually don’t perceive the principles. And so, now, all these years later is that this 2-year-old child who was left within the retailer nonetheless has this perception, “Properly, my spouse will depart if I’m not good. My mates will depart if I’m not good. I’ve gotta be good on a regular basis as a result of if I’m not good, individuals simply abandon me.”

And in order that’s the distinction that what we really feel once we’re 2, we undergo once we’re 32 as a result of we nonetheless don’t fairly perceive the principles. And that’s why we shouldn’t play video games with different individuals. We needs to be very sincere. By no means threaten to go away a relationship except you actually wish to depart. Don’t go, “Properly, I’ll stroll out should you do this. I’m leaving should you do this. I’m off should you do this.” As a result of it’s so unfair. You already know, I imply, I really like my husband, he loves me, we now have points, however I might by no means, ever say, “Should you do this, I’m off.” As a result of I’ve seen too many individuals do this to their youngsters and certainly, to their companions, when, you realize, they even pack the case and stroll out of the door after they haven’t any intention of leaving them. However the ache they trigger different individuals who don’t perceive the principles may be very unfair.

Katie: That’s such a transparent method of explaining it. And particularly with youngsters, I imply, I feel that analogy is ideal and actually, actually necessary. And I additionally assume, like, that is one thing I’ve seen in my life, and I’m in all probability nonetheless engaged on, is I for a very long time felt like I wanted to, like, do every little thing for everybody else on a regular basis and I might exit of my method to assist individuals or to get issues for individuals. And I don’t assume that was inherently a foul factor however I also can acknowledge that it largely got here from that concept that I wasn’t lovable or adequate by myself, and in order that I used to be solely valued for what I did for different individuals or my achievements. And so even when the actions themselves have been good, possibly the motivation behind them wasn’t fairly so wholesome.

And I really like that quote that, “No matter you search for, you’ll discover.” And I consider that in {our relationships} or any interplay, I heard it defined one time, you realize, in case you have the concept you’re not likable, you’re gonna discover proof of that in your whole interactions. It is likely to be the way in which somebody seems at you, whether or not they don’t reply shortly sufficient, or no matter it could be, when actually, the fact of that is likely to be that they’ve one thing else occurring, or they’re busy, or it has nothing to do with you in any respect. However once we search for that, we’re gonna discover it. And I assume I, form of, relate that to that we’ve grow to be what we take into consideration and the query that we ask ourselves.

Like, for instance of my very own life, when my inner questions was like, why can’t I shed pounds, why is that this so laborious for me, my mind would reply these questions with the entire methods I couldn’t shed pounds and why it was so laborious. And once I shifted my considering and stopped asking these questions and began asking higher questions, it turned a lot simpler to do this. Is that, form of, the identical concept as that is like retraining these patterns and questions internally?

Marisa: Your thoughts will reply any query you give it. So, why can’t I discover something? Properly, as a result of I’ve acquired a reminiscence like a sieve. You must ask a special query. How can I at all times discover the place issues are? So, should you give your thoughts a greater query, what might I do to have the physique I would like? What might I do to have the love I would like or the household life? What might I do? Your thoughts will go forward and discover one thing actual. Should you say why do my relationships at all times go unsuitable, it’s going to simply search for one thing random like, “Properly, you’re not lovable sufficient.” So that you gotta be very clear with the way you…once more, it’s the pc…you must ask your thoughts very, very particular questions.

Should you’re looking out on Google, you’re asking a query, you realize, for example, I used to be Google yesterday to see which nations at the moment are shutting out the U.Ok. due to this virus. However I used to be getting solutions from Could as a result of I hadn’t put within the date in December. In order that’s a foolish factor. However if you ask a query on Google, should you don’t put in precisely the date you’re searching for the query, you’ll get the best reply, however from three years in the past. And sometimes we do that, “Oh, you realize, I’ve simply realized this text is outdated.” Nevertheless it’s very a lot the identical factor along with your thoughts if you ask it questions. Be sure it understands the query so clearly.

So right here’s a query, I would like love. Properly, okay, you need love however would you like it for an hour? Would you like it for a night? Would you like it for the remainder of your life? You gotta be actually clear, what sort of love would you like? You already know, an evening of ardour or one thing completely different? I would like cash. Properly, how a lot cash would you like and the way do you wish to get that cash? Do you wish to earn it by doing one thing wonderful that may make you’re feeling you’re doing good on the planet, you’ll be able to earn cash when you sleep, or do you wish to get cash by any means essential? So, our thoughts will at all times reply questions, however we now have to watch out to provide it the best questions that it may possibly reply for us as a result of will probably be our ally and our greatest buddy. And we’re a lot eager to get what we would like once we ask the thoughts in a way more particular method.

Katie: And you’ve got packages very particular to this. Are you able to speak somewhat bit about that and the way individuals can discover these and know which one which they need to begin with?

Marisa: Certain. Properly, we now have lots of packages free. Should you go to, we now have audios on wealth wiring, love wiring. So we now have audios which might be designed to find after which dismantle your cash blocks or love blocks or well being blocks or success blocks. So there’s loads of these. They’re all utterly free. We don’t ask on your card. You’ll be able to simply take these. So if you need some free stuff that can assist you be the most effective you will be, go to If you wish to learn to do RTT, it’s an incredible remedy. It truly is taking the world by storm. It’s received so many awards. And also you don’t need to have any background in remedy to coach with us. If you wish to know how you can do what I do, go to Certainly, yow will discover there how you can work with somebody like me in your space as a result of we prepare individuals all around the world.

And if you wish to simply actually work on becoming a member of the “I’m Sufficient” motion, figuring out how you can put that in your life, we now have fridge magnets, little bracelets, and all types of issues that we give away over on So,,, take your choose. However do be a part of the “I’m Sufficient” motion, even when it simply means that you’re writing in your fridge in fridge magnets, saying it if you clear your tooth, writing it in your mirror in liner or marker pen. I actually suggest that small assertion will be completely life-changing and is to so many individuals.

Katie: Yeah, and we’ve integrated that in our home. We’ve been constructing out what I name a tradition wall in our hallway. And it has lots of our household mottos like, “You have been made to do laborious issues,” and, “Happiness is a selection and a ability,” and, “Ask laborious questions,” issues like that. And that’s one which we’re including as properly is, “I’m sufficient,” so the youngsters see it day by day. That’s been a enjoyable venture to work on collectively as a household. And I’ll make certain I hyperlink to the present notes at to the entire packages that you just’ve talked about and to all of these web sites so individuals can discover these and continue learning from you.

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One other query I’d like to ask towards the top of interviews is, apart from your personal, if there’s a e-book or quite a lot of books which have had a profound affect in your life, and if that’s the case what they’re and why?

Marisa: Gosh, so many books. That’s a tough factor to select. Properly, and really, I keep in mind once I was a child, I learn “Tess of the d’Urbervilles” by Thomas Hardy. He was my favourite author. And I beloved that as a result of he was describing this woman and he stated, “You already know, her eyes usually are not blue or brown and her lips are lopsided and wonky. And her imperfections made her good.” And I really like “Jane Eyre” as a result of I beloved that quote when she says, “You already know, I’m small and plain however I really feel in love and fervour simply as if I used to be tall and delightful.” And so, I really like quotes from books. And Thomas Hardy wrote about this woman and he stated, “She was somewhat extra sinned towards than sinning.” And I assumed that was such an exquisite quote.

However my favourite quote, which comes from a medical physician’s e-book is that this, “It’s the sensation that can’t discover its expression in tears and can trigger different organs to weep.” And so I learn his e-book, I used to be at Maudsley Hospital, and that was a man referred to as Henry Maudsley, who was an eminent psychiatrist. And I used to be wanting in his diaries, and there was that quote, and that was in all probability the most effective e-book I’ve ever learn as a result of he simply nailed that in a single with that incredible shifting expression. If all of us might know that, as a result of what he’s saying is one thing and I say to individuals, and I say, “Look, you’ll be able to select to talk about your self nonetheless you want. It’s free. You’ll be able to select to be tremendous unfavourable.” Like, you’re saying to your youngsters, happiness is a selection. There’s no terminal you arrive at referred to as happiness. It’s the journey you’re on day by day.

So you’ll be able to select to be unfavourable or you’ll be able to select to be comfortable however what you’ll be able to’t select is what you do to your physique if you’re unfavourable. Should you might look in your physique and see what you do to it if you’re unfavourable, you’ll cease considering unfavourable ideas as a result of they’ve to come back out someplace, they usually come out in bronchial asthma, and eczema, and dermatitis, and nervous habits. And so I really like books, all books that present those who, you realize, your phrase is every little thing. I say to my purchasers, “If I might say abracadabra and also you inform me what you need, I’m gonna do my best to provide you what you need.” After which I found after me saying that phrase for years that abracadabra is Hebrew for “my phrases create,” as I communicate, I create. And I didn’t even know that however I’ve been utilizing that phrase for years and years after which I noticed what I used to be saying.

So I really like all books which have the magic of phrases and quotes. And even Roald Dahl who you all know as a youngsters’s author stated, “The factor that makes you stunning is kindness. Should you’re a form particular person, you’ll be stunning, and should you’re not variety, you received’t be stunning.” And he additionally stated, “Solely those that imagine in magic get to see it and expertise it.” And I really like that as a result of it’s so true.

Katie: Such stunning quotes. I actually love that one, “The sensation that can’t discover its expression in tears might trigger different organs to weep.” And that speaks to lots of the stuff you talked about on this of how these issues can bodily specific within the physique and jogs my memory additionally of the e-book, “The Physique Retains The Rating” and the way…

Marisa: Oh sure, I really like that e-book, “Physique Retains Rating,” and I really like additionally “Emotions Buried Alive By no means Die.” And one other nice e-book referred to as “It’s All in Your Head.”

Katie: I’m writing these down. I’m gonna…The 2 you simply advisable, these are new to me. I can not wait to learn them. However Marisa, like I stated at first, I actually respect the work that you just’re doing. I feel it’s actually profound and useful. And particularly for ladies and many ladies listening, I feel it’s actually gonna be a dramatic, hopefully, assist to them and likewise very useful for me. I really like your recommendation on how we may also help our youngsters and hopefully give them a robust basis with this view of limiting beliefs as attainable as they go into maturity. Do you’ve got any parting recommendation for the listeners at this time on the most effective beginning place for all of this or somebody who’s possibly recognizing that they’ve a few of these limiting beliefs or they’re fighting a few of these issues, the most effective recommendation for getting began?

Marisa: Properly, I’ve a quite simple e-book referred to as “I Am Sufficient,” I imply, I feel it prices $10. And should you go to, we give away chapters of it. However despite the fact that I’m selling my very own e-book right here, it’s as a result of I wrote that e-book as a, form of, guide to assist anybody who feels not sufficient. I’ve it in faculties, I’ve it in some prisons truly, and lots of mother and father use it. And so, it talks you thru how you can go from feeling not sufficient to figuring out with unshakable certainty that you just’re sufficient. And so, I might actually suggest simply that as a result of it’s really easy and it’s so easy. As a result of there’s that factor, once more, it needs to be sophisticated. It actually doesn’t change. It may be straightforward turning into the most effective you might ever hope to be.

I imply, I’m happier now than I’ve ever been in my complete life. And I solely want I’d identified once I was going by way of it that it was straightforward, you realize, the breakups and being kicked out of faculty and all of the trauma we undergo once we’re discovering our method in life. If solely I’d identified that change is definitely straightforward, it doesn’t need to be painful, or laborious or unhappy, or it doesn’t even need to be a battle, however we’re informed, life is battle, life is troublesome, life is tough. And I typically marvel why we inform those who when it doesn’t even need to be true.

Katie: I feel that’s an ideal place to wrap up. However like I stated, I’ll ensure that the entire hyperlinks you talked about are within the present notes at so individuals can proceed to study from you. And I’m so grateful on your time at this time and for all of the work that you just’re doing. Thanks for being right here and for sharing.

Marisa: Properly, thanks. And I’ve to say, six youngsters, I simply take my hat off. I’m simply attempting to think about how you’ll match that into your life. I envy those who have gotten plenty of youngsters. I’m certain you do it fantastically however that’s an incredible job that you just’re doing too.

Katie: Oh, thanks. And because of all of you as at all times for listening, for sharing your most beneficial useful resource, your time, with each of us at this time. We’re so grateful that you just did, and I hope that you’ll be a part of me once more on the subsequent episode of the “Wellness Mama Podcast.”

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